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All Guides Veigar Guides [7.6] Dia V (flex) main-Veigar guide. Extensive matchups + general hints for climbing the ladder to Plat+
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Veigar Statistics for fTactician

Author's performance with Veigar compared to the ranked average.

Value
Average
Games Played
211
5
Win %
55
46
Kills
7.4
6.6
Assists
7.3
6.4
Deaths
4.8
5.9
KA:D Ratio
3.1
2.2
Gold Earned
12.7K
11.4K
Creep Score
190.6
171.0
Average
  • Author Champion Statistics
  • Guide Details

Summoner Spells Back to Top

My general rating:

Toplane Veigar: Pretty good if enemy lacks mobility; viable to disgusting otherwise

Midlane Veigar: quite good

Support Veigar: ok, but requires an other playstyle/mindset as midlane. Max E first.

Jgl Veigar: my coach plays this at Dia-I level --> LEL + WTF
ADC Veigar: you sure?


Summoners:
4.png12.png

As a toplaner you don't rly have that much of a choice.
As a midlaner, try21.pngor7.pnggenerally. 1.pngvs catchy CC (Lissandra; multiple champs like Taric/Lux/Morgana/Jhin etc in the enemy team) or 3.png vs Divers like Zed.
14.pngis not my playstyle.

New Runes Back to Top

Masteries Back to Top

Keystones:

- Thunderlord sucks, cause just 1 target, bad scaling (10% AP), 25-15s cooldown and not too easy to prock.

- STORMRAIDER ROCKS, cause SPEEEEEEEED >> dmg in most cases/Matchups. Just QR and run with it!

- Deathfire is not that bad, cause 7% Mr-Penetration (instead of 5% cdr), no cd, all targets, ok scaling (12,5/25% AP)


--> Use STORMRAIDER as standard vs all hyperspeed matchups and vs Slows like this team: 245.png35.png103.png26.png236.png

--> Use DEATHFIRE, if the enemy is full shield/low mobility like that team: 122.png427.png115.png117.png96.png


Resolve:

Nothing you rly want. Courage sucks.


Feriocity:

Obvious:

   -Sorcery>Fury
   -Feast>Others
   - 7% mr-Pen >7% armor-Pen
   - Deathfire > Fevor/Warlord

Better:

   -Natural Talent >> Vampirism (if you want spellvamp; just pick 1 spellvamp essence instead of 5 ap)

Debatable:

   -Bounty Hunter > Double Edged Swort >> Battle Trace (Well; I prefer it cause of its fancy 5% promise (irrational) and cause I rly dont want to take the 1.5% extra dmg. Battle Trace sucks, cause u oneshot not dot.)


Cunning:

Obvious:

   -Dangerous Game>>Rest

Better:

   -Wanderer vs Savagery (q wont proc Savagery; so only good if you fail aa-minionkills too hard)
   -Cookies > Runic Affinity (you dont hard-need blue buff) > Assassin (you want to stay grouped mid/late; and you may wont kill anyone early anyway)
   -Meditation > Merciless (despite it nerves, it gives you whooping 4-7 mana/5s. If you dont defend vs triple super minions, that will be enough mana 4 ever (with Morello). Without this I used 2-4 manareg. Seals, but Meditation rather doubles this.
   -Intelligence>Precision: I kinda like 45% cdr with its many stuns/q/R. Its better vs minions, too.



  - Stormraider > Thunderlord

Thunderlord is nice, but Stormraider is WAY better. (Wanna ask you: How the ***** did I survive that one? :P)
(you wont proc thunderlord with your e/w/q (?) or you q/r; your most often combos; furthermore in teamfights you can place your stun in their backline, immidiately turn back; eighter stay back if you didnt catch one; or go back to them; place w/q and run with this sweet masterie back in your team.
Even if you dont get a kill, its medium risk and you will bring down 2/3 of the live of 1-2 bruisers. This can land in their B (--> tower) or a favourable teamfight after your e is back.)
More detail below ("General Hints")


Exeption

For supp Veigar, thunderlord is usually better. But if you want to carry later on, stormraider is the way to go. Mobility >> everything else. Remember?

Abilities Back to Top

Q
E
Q
W
Q
R
Q
E
Q
E
R
E
E
W
W
R
W
W
Passive
Q
1
3
5
7
9
W
4
14
15
17
18
E
2
8
10
12
13
R
6
11
16

Q>E>W (R>> all)
Q: more farm/ap
E: longer and more frequent stuns >> some more dmg that you can only land with your E
If you RLY need waveclear, consider a second point in W. But you gonna miss the AP from the casters.


Im neighter a lexicon nor a copy-paster; you can look up his abilities easily.
http://gameinfo.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/veigar/

Anyway; here the important stuff:

Kills/supports --> AP (5)
Land your Skills on champions --> AP (1/champ)
Lasthit with your Q --> AP (1/little stuff; 2/big stuff) Check raptors and Golems! So sweet...
Q: 2-target skill shot. (60%)
E: Longest AOE Stun ever; but 0.5s delay (just fair)
W: Insane Skaling (100%) for an AOE spell; Grants vision --> Check bushes!!!
R: -enemy 100% HP --> half dmg compared to enemy 33% hp; Average: 100% AP
    -no longer skales with your enemy-AP.

Mana costs: Early with just Doran: you have to back at app. lv 5 with 800-1000 gold
                  With the lost chapter: Its quite ok but you can still run out of mana if you 24/7 trade
                  Mid/Lategame (Morello/Rabadon): in most scenarios you needent think of mana.
                  Exeption: With Frozen Heart instead of Morello, you need to care a bit more. Its still ok, though.

Items Back to Top

Starting Items

    I dont reccomend Dark Seal cause you may need the 60 hp from Doran
    DONT forget the Wards :P Honestly, just buy and place them!
    Spellthief is WAY better then Targon. Get your stacks from poking (but care). Oracle and Watcher-Eye (blue stuff) is the only core for supp Veigar. Buy the AP/tank stuff listed below after.
    Get a second Doran if pressured and <900 Gold. Try out a cull if the game is slow-paced.

Core Items

    1st: Your 20% cdr + good mana start. Morello vs most matchups, Frozen Heart vs full ad teams.
    3/4th: Your core in every single game. Buy it as soon as u feel save to do so. Void first !! in nearly all games, xept none of them is building any MR at all.
    2th: vs Ap threads. Buy Abyssal vs diving teams (Vlad, Akali, etc) and Banshee vs all others.
    Make sure to reach the 45% (30% from items) cdr, but dont overshoot it!
    Now u can buy pretty much anything: Feel unsafe? Want some AP and HP? These are all viable items. Make sure to pick them up.
    If you bought sorcer, you can replace them with this cute plate. But make sure not to auto-attack s.o. in messy fights! And care after aa turrets.
    Dont forget the potions. The elixir of Iron makes u bigger and therefore enlarges your hitbox --> It can backfire in some cases. Still a good potion, though.

Situational Items

    If you hard win try mb Attack speed, go mid as 5 and wreck their towers and nexus ^^ Not tried yet; but Veigar REALLY hurts on towers. YOLO
    If you smurf, wreck the poor guys with this build :P But honestly, smurfing wont make you feel better for long, so just dont, pls. Buy defensive stuff after.

Well; going Morello/Boots --> Rabadon --> Void was a slow way to go strong.
Therefore you rly want to build Void bevore Rabadon in most of the cases.
Cause with it, you WILL hurt Bruisers and should be able to oneshot squishies while beeing rather tanky cause of Banshee

Matchups Back to Top

Click on a champion below to see the author's notes on that particular matchup.

  • Aatrox
    Medium
  • Ahri
    Easy
  • Akali
    Medium
  • Anivia
    Medium
  • Annie
    Hard
  • Aurelion Sol
    Easy
  • Azir
    Medium
  • Bard
    Easy
  • Blitzcrank
    Hard
  • Brand
    Hard
  • Braum
    Medium
  • Camille
    Hard
  • Cassiopeia
    Medium
  • Cho'Gath
    Hard
  • Corki
    Medium
  • Darius
    Easy
  • Dr. Mundo
    Medium
  • Draven
    Medium
  • Ekko
    Medium
  • Elise
    Easy
  • Evelynn
    Medium
  • Fiddlesticks
    Medium
  • Fiora
    Hard
  • Fizz
    Medium
  • Galio
    Medium
  • Gangplank
    Medium
  • Garen
    Easy
  • Gnar
    Medium
  • Gragas
    Medium
  • Graves
    Medium
  • Hecarim
    Medium
  • Heimerdinger
    Easy
  • Illaoi
    Medium
  • Irelia
    Medium
  • Ivern
    Hard
  • Janna
    Medium
  • Jarvan IV
    Medium
  • Jax
    Medium
  • Jayce
    Medium
  • Kalista
    Easy
  • Karthus
    Easy
  • Kassadin
    Medium
  • Katarina
    Hard
  • Kayle
    Medium
  • Kennen
    Medium
  • Kha'Zix
    Medium
  • Kled
    Medium
  • LeBlanc
    Medium
  • Lee Sin
    Easy
  • Lissandra
    Medium
  • Lucian
    Medium
  • Lux
    Medium
  • Malphite
    Easy
  • Malzahar
    Medium
  • Maokai
    Medium
  • Master Yi
    Medium
  • Miss Fortune
    Medium
  • Morgana
    Medium
  • Nasus
    Medium
  • Nautilus
    Hard
  • Nidalee
    Easy
  • Nocturne
    Hard
  • Nunu
    Easy
  • Olaf
    Medium
  • Orianna
    Medium
  • Pantheon
    Medium
  • Poppy
    Easy
  • Quinn
    Medium
  • Renekton
    Medium
  • Rengar
    Medium
  • Riven
    Medium
  • Rumble
    Medium
  • Ryze
    Medium
  • Shaco
    Hard
  • Shen
    Medium
  • Singed
    Medium
  • Sion
    Easy
  • Skarner
    Medium
  • Soraka
    Medium
  • Swain
    Medium
  • Syndra
    Medium
  • Taliyah
    Medium
  • Talon
    Medium
  • Teemo
    Easy
  • Tristana
    Easy
  • Trundle
    Medium
  • Tryndamere
    Hard
  • Twisted Fate
    Easy
  • Twitch
    Medium
  • Varus
    Easy
  • Vayne
    Hard
  • Veigar
    Hard
  • Vi
    Medium
  • Viktor
    Medium
  • Vladimir
    Hard
  • Wukong
    Hard
  • Xerath
    Hard
  • Xin Zhao
    Easy
  • Yasuo
    Hard
  • Zac
    Medium
  • Zed
    Easy
  • Ziggs
    Medium
  • Zilean
    Hard
  • Zyra
    Medium

VS

Aatrox

Medium

Stay outside/dodge his aatroxe.pngand you should survive early.
Still care later on, his aatroxr.pngaatroxw.png HURTS.
I didnt figure his rework out, though.
Now his passive isnt up all the time, is it? Oneshot him then ^^
Or land your veigareventhorizon.png after his respawn at least and as always.

VS

Ahri

Easy

This one is rly easy, despite no obvious reasons.
Ahri players tend to stay too close to you. Thats probably cause of their movementspeed-buff (Q).
Therefore they will run right into your stun placed behind them -- rather deadly.

Teamfight: With ur Banshee she cant rly kill you; But a full ap Ahri will ran havoc on ur team. So make sure to oneshot or zone her in time.

VS

Akali

Medium

Well; as usual. Try to harrass early (pre 6), stay devensive and buy 3211.png soon.
If your lane, exp. toplane, is pushing and shes smart enough to zone you, you are doomed.
Call ur jgl to unfreeze the lane.
Tell your ad-bruiser (Graves or so) to buy 3123.png to reduce her healing in Teamfights.

VS

Anivia

Medium

Pre6:
You have movementspeed quints, so you should be able to dodge her Q.
Without Q her E just tickles.
--> Pretty good farmlane.

Post6: She can trap you between her Wall, R and Q. crystallize.pngglacialstorm.pngflashfrost.png
that gonna hurt.

Teamfight: you may wont be able to reach her properly, so try to place your veigareventhorizon.png between their backline (including Anivia) and their frontline.

VS

Annie

Hard

Well; this is a Pain pre-3211.png cause she can poke you rather easy with disintegrate.pngincinerate.png
and then juuuuuuussstttt 4.png4.pnginfernalguardian.png14.png.
Well; get 2 Dorans, farm well pre-6, stay out of Flash tibbers (um, wtf?) between lv 6-8.
Oh, and dont let her roam, cause your botlane wont survive her combo eighter.
Get 3102.png pretty soon and you are pretty safe.
But she still can oneshot your adc and supp together --> try to zone, or oneshot her bevore.

VS

Aurelion Sol

Easy

Pretty easy AS LONG AS YOU RESPECT HIM!!
He still does dmg and you still need items to kill him fast enough.
So: respect him, and you'll be fine.

You should be able to farm pretty well, cause his abilities are rather easy to predict.
U can outrun him with movementspeed-quints.
In teamfights your veigareventhorizon.pngcountes his aurelionsole.pngpretty hard.
Dont underestimate him though. His aurelionsolq.pngaurelionsolr.png will take u down pre devensive items.

VS

Azir

Medium

He just sucks generally itm. Such a pity cause hes a nice champ.
Anyway; get a 3211.png after 3802.png and you should be fine.

VS

Bard

Easy

Cmon, good Bards RLY hurt, but catching the entire team if he fails his barde.png is sooo fancy. If u place it inside walls, they will hop out of it (LEL).
You can easily place your veigareventhorizon.pngupon Bard-allies accidentally hit by his bardr.png.
Shame on you if you miss....
PRACTICE TOOL!!!

VS

Blitzcrank

Hard

Pretty annoying, cause of your casttimes.
Botlane (Veigar supp). This one wont be fun. Stay behind minions (Who thought that? :D)
and survive. gl
teamfight: get 3102.pngand stay behind your frontline; should be fine then.

VS

Brand

Hard

Even as a supp, this guy hurts, while beeing pretty damn tanky cause of stuff like 3151.png3116.png2301.png.
Make sure to spread if he uses his brandr.png.
If he lands his full combo, or at least his stun, you are most likely dead, even if hes supp.
Try to catch him with your veigareventhorizon.png if you know you can dodge his brandq.png; wait for your team to engage on him and veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png blow him up RLY fast otherwise.
If he dies bevore he can at least brandw.pngbrandr.png, you will win the teamfight.

VS

Braum

Medium

Make sure not to throw your veigarr.png in his braume.png.
Otherwise this big buddy is just fair.

VS

Camille

Hard

Not played yet, but this toplane matchup should be a PAIN.
The animation of your veigareventhorizon.png will be WAY longer then hercamillee.png.
Swap with mid, or just Ban her :P

VS

Cassiopeia

Medium

Her cassiopeiae.pngdmg is disgusting if poisoned, but her range is rather short.
Abuse that and you should be ok in lane and teamfights.

VS

Cho'Gath

Hard

This one is RLY annoying.
A other guide says: "He can kill you, you cant kill him".
Thats absolutely true till lategame (3165.png3089.png3135.png3102.png).
If you get cought, his 4.png + combo is still deadly. So stay out of this one, too

Get early 3020.png accordingly.

VS

Corki

Medium

Well; pre his nervs he was a PAIN.
After I didnt saw him anymore.
If he get buffed again: chill your lane; farm; and ping early to prevent his deadly roams.

VS

Darius

Easy

You wont kill him, but he wont kill you eighter.
If he ever lands his grab on you and you miss your stun, you still can w on top of you, then Q/R to run with the speedy masterie.

Consider to veigarr.png him in teamfights, to prevent his disgusting pentakills...

VS

Dr. Mundo

Medium

Well; you cant kill him, he shoudnt kill you.
As usual; dont push, dodge his infectedcleavermissilecast.png, veigareventhorizon.png and run if you cant;
land some veigarbalefulstrike.png for AP and call your jgl for help if he zones you too hard.
Just stand near your adc in teamfights and make sure to zone the rest of his team away.
And make your ad-bruisers or adc buys 3123.png to cut down his healing.
--> Hes annoying, but not rly strong.

VS

Draven

Medium

Like Lucian: He HURTS.
Dont 1vs1 him unless you can veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.pngoneshot him. And land your q....
Care even more if he buys3140.png.

VS

Ekko

Medium

The entire trick is to stand just out of his dash Range.
His ekkoq.png wont kill you, but a three-stack prock definetely will!
And remember: the second part of his ekkoe.pngcan get over your veigareventhorizon.png!!
So dont stay too close, even with your jgl, cause he can escape or kill you.
If you pinned him down later on, you can oneshot him bevore he has a chance to ekkor.png if you are fast enough.

VS

Elise

Easy

She will be jgl:
Care early a bit, but she will fall off SOOOOO hard.
pretty much 5vs4 lategame.
Make sure, not to waste your veigarr.pngon her.
Dodge her elisehumane.png though.

VS

Evelynn

Medium

Well; you definetely have to respect her ganks, cause she HURTS.
Warding the usual sidebushes is pretty useless, so make sure to eighter pinkward or deepward at her blue/red; or both, obviously ;)

In teamfights she struggles to be effective. Most of the times she eighter doesnt deal any dmg, or you can blow her up as soon as she pops out of stealth.

Just make sure to survive evelynnr.pngevelynne.pngevelynnq.pngevelynnq.pngevelynnq.png and dont panic.
It should be ok then.

VS

Fiddlesticks

Medium

Well; ward, ward, ward.
If he doesnt land a proper crowstorm.png on your entire team, he will be pretty useless.
Same like Kennen: He WILL have 3157.png, so make sure you eighter blow him up bevore he can use it, or just veigareventhorizon.png and run from his crowstorm.png.
--> if he is with his crowstorm.png in your team; DONT veigarr.png.
--> veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png him when he tries to walk to you, when hes channelling his crowstorm.png or when he pops out of 3157.png.
Ok, that explanation was bad. But you got the point anyway ;)

VS

Fiora

Hard

Laning:
Well; shes pretty squishy bevore 1053.png stuff, so make sure to land some poke.
And stay out of her fioraq.png xept u have minions af, till lv 6.
After that, you have to stay out of fioraq.pngfioraq.png range, that means towerducking.
Good news: She will buy 3077.png or run out of mana, so she cant zone and freeze you hard (like a Yas or so). Just farm under tower and ward behind it to prevent dives.


Teamfight: She's .... special. If s.o. locks her down while her team isnt all around, shes like instant-dead. If she tp behind your spread-up and low-live team, you better run in opposite directions. At least s.o. will survive then.
You cant rly ignore her for long, but you cant rly land your combo on her eigher cause of her insane mobility, livesteal and fioraw.png. So: Decide if you try to catch her, or their backline from case to case.
Land your veigareventhorizon.png more around her, so shes caged, but not be able to fioraw.png it easily.

VS

Fizz

Medium

Laning Pre-6: ok.
You can harrass him with aa + veigarbalefulstrike.png if he wents in for minions, but only if you eighter stand out of his fizzq.png range, have a tower or a LOT of minions behind you.
Cause you will loose his lv 4/5 fizzq.pngfizzw.pngfizze.png-out trades pretty hard.
If he starts 2033.pngeffective poking will be pretty hard. So consider staying back, too.

Laning 6-9: pretty hard
Dodge his fizzr.pngby all means, even if u have to burn 4.png. Care of bushes/corners!
Cause otherwise you may flash after he landed his R and still die. THATS dump.
Better flash early.
And try to prevent him from roaming -- or ping at least.

Teamfights:
After your 3102.pngthis matchup goes a LOT better, cause he wont kill you anymore, even with fizzr.png as long as his team cannot follow up properly. Just wait him to eigher use fizze.png, or get stunned cause his fizzq.png jump throws him in your veigareventhorizon.png.
And thennnnnn -- blow him up (who thought that?)

VS

Galio

Medium

Well; I still figuring him out, but one's for sure:
HES DAMN ANNOYING.
You want to blow s.o. up --> he galior.png (Or failes it, if he has a bad reaction time)
You want to focus the backline --> A big damn, but golden rock stands in ur face.
You want to blow him up --> Pretty possible, cause your veigareventhorizon.png counters his galioe.png pretty hard. He could galior.png out, if you dont care, though.

VS

Gangplank

Medium

Lane:
Pretty nice farming lane, if you stay out of gangplanke.png and have 12.pngto recall after his gangplankqwrapper.pngpoke.
If your jgl ganks: Care, cause his aa RLY hurts and his gangplankw.pngcounters our stun.

Teamfights:
Well, you hurt, he hurts, too.
But it is pretty possible to at least cage-veigareventhorizon.png him after he missed his gangplanke.png for your team to follow up. As soon as he uses his gangplankw.png hes free but pretty fast prey.

VS

Garen

Easy

If you react fast enough for a proper veigareventhorizon.png and hold ur distance this should be ok.
Land some veigarbalefulstrike.pngon him. That wont kill him, but you still get the cute 1AP.

VS

Gnar

Medium

If he jumps over you not-formed-yet-veigareventhorizon.png, it gonna hurt.
Otherwise it should be ok, cause hes rather squishy.

VS

Gragas

Medium

Stand outside his gragase.pngand you should be able to farm.
Care about jgl ganks and Flash OVER his gragasr.png. If u flash late, you probably still die.

VS

Graves

Medium

Graves jgl is pretty fair. Dont underestimate him and get wall-gravesqlinespell.pnged.

VS

Hecarim

Medium

His hecarimult.png will go through our stun, so make sure to:
1. survive his 1v5 long enough for your team to kill him.
2. place your veigareventhorizon.png behind him to zone the rest of his team out.
--> he will 1v5 and go down; you can 5v4 after.

VS

Heimerdinger

Easy

Really nice, cause you get free AP from his heimerdingerq.png.
Make sure to get to lane early (not too early though) and farm his 2 turret ;)
Dont facecheck bushes though...
you have ur veigardarkmatter.png

VS

Illaoi

Medium

Just definetely stay out of her illaoiw.pngand dodge everything, even in a 3vs1 situation against her. If u dont, she will heal up and kill u all.
Kite
Kite
Kite.

VS

Irelia

Medium

very early (pre lv ~4) you can win trades if u have enough minions and she ireliagatotsu.png on you.
After that, she may can zone you hard.
No way but to farm under/bevore turret or call for jgl help to unfreeze the lane.

The teamfights are quite fair.
you can try to stun her and blow her 5vs1 up, or to zone her team out of the combat --> 5v1 again.

VS

Ivern

Hard

Well, this guy has no dmg at all, but shields and heals (Redemption) 4 ever.
Make sure to get 3135.pngand cdr to get some dot out.

VS

Janna

Medium

DONT CHASE.
Shes just fair. You can do it.

VS

Jarvan IV

Medium

Toplane: dodge his jarvanivdragonstrike.pngjarvanivdemacianstandard.pngand you should be ok till lv 8 or so, where his jarvanivcataclysm.pngis deadly without 4.png.
Just roam/swap/call jgl/farm under turret then.

VS

Jax

Medium

Jax is pretty fair, too.
Stay out of jaxleapstrike.pngand you will be fine.
Stay inside jaxcounterstrike.pngand you will be dead :P

VS

Jayce

Medium

Well; he falls off late.
Definetely stay out of jaycetotheskies.png, dodge his EQ Shots (No Symbol? WTF)
and buy 3110.png instead of Morello.
If u are midlane, you are RLY fine, if u are top, his all-ins will still wittle u down, so care.

VS

Kalista

Easy

Well; landing a good veigareventhorizon.png around her in lane and teamfights makes her cry cause she may accidentally jump into the walls.
But care about her kalistarx.png though. You may wont survive long enough to blow her up and run with stormraider.

VS

Karthus

Easy

Pretty easy AS LONG AS YOU RESPECT HIM!!
He still does dmg and you still need items to kill him fast enough.
So: respect him, and you'll be fine.

Dodge Q, farm and outscale him.

Teamfights: dont let him go in the middle of ur team !!
zone him out with veigareventhorizon.png or oneshot him fast enough (veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png)

VS

Kassadin

Medium

This one isnt too hard despite the rumors.
Land your Q bevore he does get his shield.
And aa him 2-3 times if he goes in to nulllance.png pre lv 6.
Lv 6-9: STAY OUT OF HIS R range! Eating his full R/E/Q (W) combo RLY hurts itm.
Good news: Get an 3211.png after 3802.png and he doesnt rly harrass you at all.
Ping and push if he roams (naturally).

VS

Katarina

Hard

Reworked Katarina....
Despite her countless nerfs, she still HURTS.
If she gets like 2-3 kills early, even a 3102.pngfirst wont save you from her all-in.
Just ban her, exp in lower elo :P

VS

Kayle

Medium
veigarbalefulstrike.png her if she walkes in and stay with beside your minions (she will get the aggro, but you musnt get the aoe dmg from her farming-aa's)
Care about her judicatorintervention.png in teamfights. Just stun her and press veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.pngveigarr.pngfast enough.

VS

Kennen

Medium

His all-ins are scary, but hes still pretty squishy.
Make sure to build some MR and Q if he walks too close.

Teamfights: He will have 3157.png, so oneshot him BEVORE he reks your entire team, or just run and place your veigareventhorizon.png on the statue. (Shame on you if that doesnt land... ^^)

VS

Kha'Zix

Medium

Lane-Ganks:
His khazixq.png got nerved hard --> he wont kill you that fast, so a quick veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png combo and running away with Stormraider should do it most of the time.
4.png if hes mid-air-khazixe.png.
If he holds his khazixe.png and threatens to kill you, DONT 4.png, cause you would die anyway.
Better respawn with 4.png then without.

Teamfights:
If you manage to oneshot or at least cage-veigareventhorizon.png him, it should be easy for your team to follow-up.
If he gets the khazixe.png reset and recks your entire team and then you, well; gg. But you messed up hard then.
Tanks/Bruisers at the front, you in the middle, adc at the back and wards to the sides.
And he will struggle to impact.

VS

Kled

Medium

If u are toplane with him: GL.
Havent played it, but it must suck.
your veigareventhorizon.pngcountes his kledr.pngpretty hard, but he has so damn many lives.
Make sure to oneshot him unmounted.

VS

LeBlanc

Medium

Her leblancw.pngdmg got halved, but she still hurts pre 3102.png. After that she wont kill you, so make sure she doesnt get fed early.
This includes effort to prevent her roams (wards, pings, etc)

VS

Lee Sin

Easy

JGL:
Just fair. You can trap him in veigareventhorizon.png, he can 4.pngblindmonkrkick.png you into his entire team.

Top: Who plays Lee top? Should be not easy, but ok though. As long as u dodge his blindmonkqone.png.

VS

Lissandra

Medium

Laning pre 6:
Should be ok if you stay outside her lissandraq.png range.

Laning post 6:
buy 3211.png soon, and she wont be able to oneshot you. But the will oneshot your adc, so make sure to prevent her from roaming (push, ward, poke if u can) or ping at least.

Teamfights:
She wont kill you, cause you have 3102.png, but she still can kill/severely dmg your adc.
On the other side, it is pretty hard for you to kill her, because of her 2 dodge-tools lissandrar.png and 3157.png. At least you can veigareventhorizon.png her pretty easily if she uses eighter of them.
If she runs 1.png things will get harder. Consider to focus other carries then.

VS

Lucian

Medium

Post buff: He HURTS af.
Dont 1vs1 him unless u are sure u can veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png-oneshot him.

VS

Lux

Medium

Pretty fair, too.
Dodge her luxlightbinding.png and you should be fine,
fail it and you should be dead :P

Buy 3102.pnglater on and respect her 21.png. Dont tower dive if its up...

VS

Malphite

Easy

Toplane:
should be a farming lane, if hes not full ap, cause his seismicshard.png rather tickles.
make sure to stay out of his landslide.pngand land some veigarbalefulstrike.png on him -- not for dmg but for AP.

Teamfight: Get 3102.png, stay away from your carries (so he cant ult you both) and seperate him from his team if he ufslash.png in.

VS

Malzahar

Medium
1.pngDOESNT WORK!!
care with his malzaharw.png, try to farm them with veigarbalefulstrike.png (not that easy though).
consider 3140.png or the usual 3102.png to prevent his 4.pngmalzaharr.png.

VS

Maokai

Medium

Medium-Easy
he can win 1vs1 trades quite easy, but if you can stay out of his W range or inside your big minion wave, the trade gonna be ok.
My Maokais just farm and even ignored my q-Poke --> perfect for Veigar

Medium-Easy
This should be the case for many toplane bruisers, too. (like Cho, Mundo, Gragas, Illaoi etc.)
I will add the matchups as soon as I played them.

VS

Master Yi

Medium

This damn guy HURTS.
Stay beside a reliable cc member of your team (Like Alistar/Naut or so) and oneshot or veigareventhorizon.png him after hes locked down.

VS

Miss Fortune

Medium

DONT STAY IN HER missfortunebullettime.pngmissfortunebullettime.png.
it HURTS.
only exception is to walk a bit closer to eighter veigareventhorizon.png , veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png or veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png her.

VS

Morgana

Medium

Well; pretty annoying matchup.
Her blackshield.pngsoulshackles.pngdarkbindingmissile.png hardengage will kill u with jgl, so make sure to 4.png in time.
You have to outplay her blackshield.pngthrough the whole game, but she still can protect just one guy.

VS

Nasus

Medium

Toplane: Make sure not to fail your veigareventhorizon.png if he engages on you or you are pretty dead.
Should be a ok farming lane though.
Try to kill him with your jgl early one.

Teamfights: As usual: stun him, or seperate him from his team and make sure to survive at least 1-2 nasusq.png from him.

VS

Nautilus

Hard

Post 6 he gonna wreck you, if he can land his q after his R (which is rather easy)
try to poke/farm him out of a save distance. MB go back often.
Despite your outscale, he still will be a threat to you, mid/early-lategame

VS

Nidalee

Easy

Dodge her javelintoss.pngand you will be fine.
She has to go WAY too close to you/your team to deal severe dmg
--> easy prey to oneshot.

VS

Nocturne

Hard

Jgl:
This jgl RLY sucks. He can nocturneshroudofdarkness.pngnocturneparanoia.pngon you out of nothing, your veigareventhorizon.pngis useless and even your 4.png is pretty hard to time bevore you go down.
Stay save, stay with your team, buy eighter armor or 3157.pngbut, more important: Try to seperate his team from him. If not, their whole team will stand over your evil statue...
You should be able to take him 5:1 faster down then he you. Otherwise quite gg :P
And, honestly, do never ever go sleeping again...

VS

Nunu

Easy

Annoying, but not very good.
You outscale him hard, so make sure not to underestimate him early.

VS

Olaf

Medium

jgl:
Make sure to pick up some armor and he wont be able to kill you fast enough. The passive of 3110.pngdoes not work while olafragnarok.png, sadly. But the armor is more then enough.

top:
Care about your hp, cause he will dive you if:
- you are below half hp
- he landed a olafaxethrowcast.png.
try to veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png and run with the stormraider masterie.

VS

Orianna

Medium

Learn her orianaizunacommand.pngrange and outplay some orianaizunacommand.pngorianadissonancecommand.pngcombos and you should be ok.
Definetely DO track her orianadetonatecommand.pngcd and her ball(s?), cause a nice orianadetonatecommand.pngcan tip even won teamfights over.

VS

Pantheon

Medium

Not in your lane:
Pretty easy: If he has no 3814.pngyou can easily counter his pantheonrjump.png with veigareventhorizon.png and blow him up.
He pretty much sucks out of laning-phase anyway if not too fed.

Laning against:
You. Wont. Have. Fun.
Dodge his pantheonq.png...     eh...well.
*** the farm, stay outside his pantheonq.png, farm under tower, recall often enough not to die to an all-in and beg for help (or mercy) if he zones you.
You may have half his farm, but you may be able not to die more then once to him.

VS

Poppy

Easy

Fair champ. As long as you dont underestimate her, it should be ok cause her kit is pretty straightforward.
It is not easy, but possible to stand outside poppye.png-stun and to outplay her.
Make sure to hit some veigarbalefulstrike.png. Not for dmg but for the AP.

VS

Quinn

Medium

Not laning:
Pretty ok, if not hard-fed.
A well placed veigareventhorizon.pngshuts him down entirely despite his disgusting dmg and blind.

Laning against:
Dodge his quinne.pngand, if possible, quinnq.png and it should be possible due to his squishiness.

VS

Renekton

Medium

Not Laning:
He shoudnt be able to kill u fast after your 3102.png.
So: as usual: get him (frontline) down, or land a nice veigareventhorizon.pngveigardarkmatter.pngveigarbalefulstrike.png on the backline and run with stormraider while your team gets him down and you alive.


Laning:
His kit is strong early, but still outplayable cause his renektonsliceanddice.pngrange is not THAT long.
stay out of renektonsliceanddice.pngrenektonpreexecute.png pre, like, lv 6-8 and out of renektonsliceanddice.pngrenektonsliceanddice.pngrenektonpreexecute.pngafter that (pretty much under tower).
If your jgl comes, you should be able to bait him in with walking 'just a bit too close'

VS

Rengar

Medium

This damn cat will outrun you.
try to predict his path and block it with a proper veigareventhorizon.png
Or just hide behind a huge Nautilus or so.

VS

Riven

Medium

Laning: Well; her dashes are rather short-ranged.
If she leaves her minions and riventricleave.png in your direction early, make sure to veigarbalefulstrike.png her and turnback (not if she rivenfeint.png) as it WILL wittle her down after some rotations.
As soon as her riventricleave.png is down, you can walk in to aa her or minions.

Teamfight:
Make sure she cant 4.pngrivenfengshuiengine.pngrivenmartyr.png you, your adc and another guy at the same time as that can cost you the game. Despite that, your veigareventhorizon.pngshuts her down pretty hard.
WARD!!

VS

Rumble

Medium

Stay outside rumbleflamethrower.pngand you should be ok.
Early jgl ganks should be rather easy to execute as he is condemned to push 24/7.

Care about his rumblecarpetbomb.png and 3157.png in teamfights.

VS

Ryze

Medium

Well; this machinegun-caster HURTS, if properly executed, but you outrange him hard.
Dont 1vs1 him, if your veigarr.pngdoesnt oneshot him, because his speed and shield is disgusting and you can end up dying in a 100% to 40% hp scenario if u miss your Q.

Your veigareventhorizon.png makes his live RLY hard and his ryzer.png hard to execute in teamfights as it prevents him from running like madmen.

VS

Shaco

Hard

******************* this guy.
He will appear behind you in the most unexpected moments.
Dont veigarr.png him if hes not stunned and still has hallucinatefull.png, as he can dodge it rather easily.
Just group and tell ur team to pick a nice frontline like Mao or Naut vs him.
An average Shaco will be pretty useless in 5vs5 scenarios. Use that!
Well; or just ban him, if u cant face the constant threat.

The most annoying possiblity ist, that he could play with eighter:
I could carry my team -- lets ruin the enemie's day
My team sucks and I failed twice early -- gg, lets surrender and next game.


This may be fun for him, but the other 9 guys.... ******************

VS

Shen

Medium

Fair guy. Stay out of shene.png, veigarbalefulstrike.png him for ap, make sure to cancel his shenr.png with veigareventhorizon.pngand laning should be ok.

Teamfight:
as usual: shut him down, or seperate him from his backline.

VS

Singed

Medium

Annoying af, but good? idk.
Never ever chase him, just veigarbalefulstrike.png if he comes near and farm under tower.
And try to lv1/2 him behind your toplane tower with wards/ambushes/ur jgl.
But dont force it, loosing 2 entire waves is pretty devastating.

VS

Sion

Easy

Well; straightforward kit, straightforward counter.
you outrange him hard; u know what he can, u know what u can.
Need more words?

Farm AP with some veigarbalefulstrike.png on him.

VS

Skarner

Medium
1.pngDOESNT WORK

Well; annoying guy with surprisingly high dmg.
you cant rly ignore him, so try to land a veigareventhorizon.pngveigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png on him to get him down, bevore the real teamfight starts.

VS

Soraka

Medium

Annoying girl.
Dont get caught by her sorakae.png or you will be useless af.
A silenced caster...

VS

Swain

Medium

Well; He has the dmg to kill you and definetely the tankyness to prevent you from killing him.
Lane as usual: avoid swaindecrepify.png, dodge swainshadowgrasp.png, farm well, prevent his roamings, kill him 10 times -- ehm, no.
Make sure your ad bruiser (Graves, Wu) buys 3123.png to cut down his healing from swainmetamorphism.png.

VS

Syndra

Medium

Pretty fair, too.
If you are good at dodging it gonna be a fun game.
If not, it will be a fun game for her...

Make sure to pick up some MR. You still can oneshot her if she messes up.

VS

Taliyah

Medium

Well; she isnt as strong as u later on, but you should definetely dodge her taliyahe.pngtaliyahwvc.png combo and most of her taliyahq.png.
Your veigareventhorizon.png prevent her from riding taliyahr.png as it will stun her.

VS

Talon

Medium

Well; it could be worse.
His talonq.png is no longer a blink, but an dash, so your veigareventhorizon.png stops it.
Despite that, he still hurts in melee-range.
Try to farm save, make sure to return some poke to prevent him from roaming.
Ping at least if a fed Talon is about to reck your poor botlane.

VS

Teemo

Easy

Quite easy:
Easy farming; range advantage --> good poke; he quite squishy and doesnt heal it back --> quite easy and early one- or 2-shot post 6

This should be the case for many squishy toplaners (Like Vayne, Kennen etc), too.
I will add the matchups as soon as I played them.

VS

Tristana

Easy

Your veigareventhorizon.png stops her tristanaw.png. That may catch her by surprise in lower elos.
Shes as easy to oneshot as most of the adc's, but u dont want to eat too many aa.

VS

Trundle

Medium

Damn Troll. If he good with placing his trundlecircle.png, he WILL outrun you with trundledesecrate.png regardless of our veigareventhorizon.png. So care, hold ur distance and farm up. Minions and veigarbalefulstrike.png.
With a strong DOT jgl like 203.png or 104.png you can kill him.
Without just farm.

Teamfights: He wont kill you, so make sure to zone or kill his backline.

VS

Tryndamere

Hard

Laning:
A Pain in the *****.
If he gets 1053.png first, you will never ever be able to kill him -- even with ok jgl help.
Just farm, land some veigarbalefulstrike.png and stay just out of his tryndameree.png range.

Teamfight:
Still a real threat, as splitpusher or even in real teamfights.
You cant ignore him, so try to land an ok veigareventhorizon.png veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png or even veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png  on ANYONE and run like madman through your team till his undyingrage.png runs out.

VS

Twisted Fate

Easy

Laning:
Dodge his wildcards.png and he wont kill you.
Push back to prevent him from destiny.pngroaming at no cost.
After lv 6 you can pretty much oneshot him, if you land your stun.
With jgl help, you just need to cage him.

Teamfights: If your veigareventhorizon.png isnt down, you can easily (PRACTICE TOOL) land it on his destiny.png spot. If it is down, make sure to place a veigardarkmatter.png and then veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png oneshot him.

Dont chase him though, cause he can kite you with his gold cards.

VS

Twitch

Medium

Well; a big, poisoned rat out of nowhere shooting you down twitchfullautomatic.png.
Make sure to veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png oneshot him or veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png run if he pops out of stealth.
Honestly: LAND YOUR veigarbalefulstrike.png !!! You have like 2-3s till you are dead but you still have to land your veigarbalefulstrike.png.
Or just stay behind your frontline, but thats pretty hard vs his disgusting twitchfullautomatic.png range.

VS

Varus

Easy

Pretty easy prey if you dodge his varusq.png and exp. varusr.png cause he has no mobility at all. (even less, cause his Q-charge-slow).

VS

Vayne

Hard

****** her.
I ban her, cause I cant handle her.
Well, or cause she scales even harder then Veigar.
Her vayneinquisition.pngvaynetumble.png invisibility makes it pretty impossible to land even the basic combo veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png. And with livesteal and 3140.png it probably wont kill her.
And she eighter 3shot you (vaynetumble.png--> aa or 2 --> vaynetumble.png) or your entire team and THEN you.
That sucks.
Well; I may just hate her. Getting 3shootet despite devensive items like 3102.png or even 3110.png just sucks :/

VS

Veigar

Hard

Well; laning against Veigar RLY sucks.
My coach suggested AP-Tristana to reck him, but honestly:
Just take Annie and 4.pnginfernalguardian.png the heck out of him.

Do you even think about the mirror-matchup? It just sucks on all stages on the game.
But you want to improve and there are 2 ranked ques: Flex and Solo.
Tryhard in one, play other stuff on the other.
Dont even consider ******* normals. Just dont.

VS

Vi

Medium

Always a threat. Get 3102.png and it becomes WAY better.
You should be able to eighter shut her down or seperate her from her team.
Have to repeat myself; uh.
veigareventhorizon.pngveigareventhorizon.pngveigareventhorizon.pngveigareventhorizon.pngveigareventhorizon.png

VS

Viktor

Medium

Well; that depends.
If he maxes his viktorpowertransfer.pngand pokes you with that one you gonna have a hard time.
Well; your veigarbalefulstrike.png still outranges: Q bevore he is in his Q range, and flee under tower always helps.
His viktorchaosstorm.png hurts, though.

If he maxes his viktordeathray.pngjust dodge, farm and kill him with your JGL post first recall.

VS

Vladimir

Hard
Lane: Pretty ok
It is rather easy to dodge his vladimire.png and to stay stay out of his enforced vladimirq.png range. But it will still cost you some farm. 12.pngmandatory.

Generally:

Make sure your ad bruiser like Graves is buying 3123.png to cut down his healing.

Is he go(o)d?:
A good Vlad will take Stormraider and 6.png or 14.png, making it pretty hard to land your basic combo veigareventhorizon.pngveigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png.  It is getting hardest, if he buys ap-bruiser stuff
http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/3116592144/213892973?tab=overview

How does his abilities work out exactly?
- His main aoe dmg comes from his vladimire.png (and vladimirhemoplague.png, but thats hard to dodge/outplay)
- Neighter, snares, nor his 2s- vladimirsanguinepool.pngwill cancel hisvladimire.png, but vladimirq.png, vladimirhemoplague.png, silences and hard-cc will. (the partly-loaded dmg will still go through, though)
- Snares does not prevent him from pooling vladimirsanguinepool.png and he can easily pool through your veigareventhorizon.png.


Teamfights: Pretty damn hard.
Problem: you cant ignore him for more then 1-2.5s, but you cant rly kill him eighter unless he makes a mistake. 

I Figured out two ways with an ok chance of winning. (Wont get better then 'ok')
1:
You ignore Vlad, fokus their backline, oneshot the adc and deal severe dmg to the supp/whoever stand beside him. --> You will go down for sure though.
--> If u succeeded to oneshot their adc, its up to your team to win this. Pray they are good.
--> If u failed somehow (they 4.png your veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png and veigarr.png alone takes them only to 1/3 hp), its pretty much 'gg'
--> If you choose this option often, 3157.pngor 3026.png is recommended

2:
You veigareventhorizon.png cage him as soon as he enters the fight
--> he will pool out after like 2.0s to stay relevant
--> wait 1.5s (not more, not less)
--> veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png him to force his 3157.png. Mb even with 4.png to test his reaction time.
--> Your 7.7 second veigareventhorizon.png should just came up --> STUN and veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png him.
--> He should be dead then (u have a adc behind/beside you)
*************************************************************************************************
Summary this way:
- This is as reliable as it can be for an hard-dmg -- 2 escapes guy.
- You and likely/partly your adc/supp spend full 9-10s --  to just take him down while your frontline is batteling 2.5 vs 4
- Vlad got just QE, Pool, RQE out bevore he's dead.

Extra:
- If s.o. else on your team manages to stun him (89.png), you can veigareventhorizon.png and blow him up rather easily. (Go back to practice-tool, if u miss... !!)





VS

Wukong

Hard

Laning:
DONT FEED HIM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!
1v1 trades arent worth at all, cause he scales extraordinary well into midgame with a lethality kit where you are still pretty weak without 3135.png3089.png.

Teamfight: as long as you prevent him to run havoc on your entire team with his monkeykingspintowin.png or as long as you can keep the rest of the enemies from follow-up it should be ok. Dont oneshot his clone though...
Well; it gives ???? ap though...

VS

Xerath

Hard

You will never ever be in range to oneshot him, if he playes well.
Just dodge everything (early boots) and try to slain the rest of his team while your frontline/assassins/divers are dealing with him.
And get 3211.png early.

VS

Xin Zhao

Easy

Just land a proper veigareventhorizon.png right where he lands after his xenzhaosweep.png.
or cage him and let your team reck him.

VS

Yasuo

Hard

This depends on your lane:
Midlane is ok, Toplane a ******* pain.
If hes good, he can zone you so hard you get like 30/70 outfarmed, or/and killed, if you make so much as a single mistake.
Just try to survive, mb swap with mid/bot. Try to have fun :P

Midlane:
Farm till level 9 - you cant kill him, he shoudnt kill u if you dont overextend.
After lv 9 you can go with the E/W/Q combo BUT: dont throw your Ult into his *** yasuowmovingwall.png^^
AND: Dont chase him! he can outplay you rather easy whithout a tower behind you.

VS

Zac

Medium

If you have vision, you can veigareventhorizon.png his zace.png. If not (WARDS), well, not...
That gonna hurt if you dont have the reaction time for 4.png.
In teamfights it is best to zone his team away from the 1vs5.

VS

Zed

Easy

Well, you wonder about "Easy"?
First: Buy 3110.png instead of Morello and he will no longer hurt.
Second: Consider exhaust, But TP is fine, too.
Thirt: With his zedr.png he will pop out at a very well defined spot: Behind you in the line between his zedr.png-startpoint and your position at the end of the animation.
IT IS POSSIBLE TO STUN HIM THERE RELIABLE.
But you may need a buddy, a custom game and some time...


Teamfights: He wont focus you, cause you have 3110.png , so try to veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png him right after he pops out of his R on your adc.
Stunning him like if hes ulting you wont work, cause your adc wont be used to that trick ://
But you may place a veigareventhorizon.png where he started his zedr.png and/or zedw.pngso he cant swap back.

VS

Ziggs

Medium

Like Xerath, but more easy to dodge.
Buy MR to survive his ziggsr.png, dodge his ziggsq.png and your frontline step in his ziggse.png.
And remember: If you cage him and his ziggsw.png, you will most likely get the stun cause he cant escape his own ziggsw.png 4ever.

VS

Zilean

Hard

Pretty annoying matchup if he plays well.
Try not to get pushed too hard, dodge zileanq.png (obviously) and stun him bevore oneshotting, so he cant use chronoshift.png.
If that's not possible, land your veigareventhorizon.png or at least your veigardarkmatter.png on him after he revives.
Shame on you if you miss...

Teamfight: You may wont be able to reach him, so just max-range veigareventhorizon.pngveigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png their backline and consider eighter holding your veigarr.png or spending it on a frontline bruiser that is about to reck your team. Even if he revives, the bruiser should be easy prey and they will miss an important ability.
Care about the disgusting low cd though 40 seconds with cdr.

VS

Zyra

Medium

Her plants hurt and block your veigarbalefulstrike.png.
Shes still damn squishy and therefore easy to oneshot.
try not to eat too much poke, return fire with some well-placed veigarbalefulstrike.png and farm her plants.

Teamfights:
Do not desperately try to reach her.
If she sees you approaching, her zyrae.pngzyraw.pngzyraw.pngzyraq.pngzyrar.png combo is pretty easy to execute.

Thumb rule: 1 AP = 20 Gold = 1 farm. Back to Top

1052.png=435gold=20 AP --> 20 Gold/AP.
So: farming with q is double rewarding, so sometimes high-risk-q-farm is worth it. (high risk means the possibility of losing the minion -- not getting killed by your enemy (!!))
But you still need the gold for your 10.000 Gold core items: Boots/Morello,Void/Rabadon.
you should have them around 30 min. I know, thats late, but you will wreck everyone at this point. (if you continue playing smart)

Aim: 300 extra AP @30 min. Back to Top

100 AP/10 minutes is a realistic aim.
if you are fed, you will get 200 AP @ 20 min.
If you are behind with quite good farm or equal with pretty-meh-farm you should have 300 extra AP @ 30 min.
If not, you should play normals/customs/botgames and focus on farming the minions with your Q

General Hints Back to Top

Honestly; dont chase people.
while chasing, the 0.5s of your E is hell lot. (app. 200 units if they have boots)
Furthermore, trapping a chasing Veigar is really easy. (Imagin a low-live Ahri charm/q...)
Getting cought like that let you feel just stupid and may even cost you the game.
Even if you trade 1:1/get your kill; its just not worth the risk. Dont feel like a big boss if that works.
#high risk; low reward.

General: pre Rabadon/Void: try to hardfarm (jgl, too), avoid too much roaming and try to tell your mates not to fight 24/7. cause they will lose 4:5 and you are quite weak; so you will loose a 2vs2/3vs3, too.
Nothing to say against a TP to overextending botlane with your jgl as well --> 4:2, though.

General2: Playing Veigar in multiple games is kinda mind-trapping.
Cause you left your last game OP like hell, but enter the new game as a squishy/no dmg baby for at least 10-20 min.
So you have to be really smart, not to step in this overextending-trap.

Oh, and dont go splitpushing.
You will loose any 1vs2 flanks if you are not too fed --- And in this scenario just go mid as 5 and finish this *** game ;)

Teamfights: Siege/anti-siege Back to Top

A: Bugged-out 24/7 skirmishes: Its merely 50/50 if you win them, or not. It wont help you improving for sure. Try to fight more coordinated. Theres no take-home-rule in this scenario. Good Luck!

Teamfights: post Rabadon/Void: like I said in Masterie:
1: if they have serious hard engage (malph etc) you have to stay back and try to catch s.o. out of position or wait till a big teamfight erupts and then try to land your stuff. Good luck!
2: If they dont have serious hard engage you can stay quite with your frontliners.
In this position you can try to place a stun on max-range; immediately step back (cause their Morgana Q etc) and then look if you catched 1+ viable target.
0: You didnt land your stun properly and get cought by a Lux q etc. Well:
First, your E should be placed somewhere between you and their team, so they are hampered to full-engage on you.
Second, you have your full team behind you and they most likely engage, so you should be able to throw your Q/W/R at anyone. Even if you get evaporated after that (you have a supporter etc. behind you) there are still chances to win the teamfight. Despite the fact you should try to improve your dodging skills, it is still worth the try.
#medium risk; high reward
1: if you didnt catch one: just step back (preferably with most of your team) and wait the 7 seconds (thats not that long, because your stun last 3.5s (with cast time); and they need at least 1s to engage)
2: if you catched 1+ targets (mostly bruisers/tanks) turn back, W-Q them and run with your speedy Stormraider masterie. This should cost them 2/3 of their live with a medium-risk action. Now:
1: The targets are not valuable enough for you team to engage (Leona/Darius or so). Just stay back for the 7 seconds and try not to get counter-engaged. -- You lost nothing xept some poke on you now and their tank/bruiser has to care or b; which favours your team.
2: You stunned 1 not rly important target (Leona) and your team engage. Well; some communication would be grate, but its too late now. Good luck!
3: You stunned 1+ important target; you team doesnt engage and you spells break them down to 10% hp. DONT TURN BACK AND TRY TO ULT THEM!!!! This action is rly obvious to your enemies; you will get cought and loose your teamfights) ULT INSTANTLY OR NEVER IN THIS SCENE; mostly not on this action; cause max-stun-range targets >> your ult range.
4: You stunned 1+ important target and your team engage does the last 1/3 of their LP; killing them: Fine! you should win the 5vs4 teamfight now!
5: You stunned 1+ important target and kill them with just your w/q and their rest is on retreat: Write "^^" or ";)" in the normal chat and take the tower/drake/baron/nexus.

Attitude Back to Top

Some steps to improve:

1: Do I rly really want to improve? Or do I just play YOLO/Fungames? (thats fine, too)
2: OK, I really want to improve. Are you sure? Because:
3: Many playes want to improve their mates. That not gonna work. And even if; in solo-q you wont play with them again... and they still are your rivals...
4: OK, I want to improve ME.
--> Fine; mission completed, because you now:
1: Look on your own mistakes; mb even write them on paper
2: Stay polite in most/every situation (mute...), because you know, blaming just distract you from yourself.
3: well; thats all

but its easy to say/hard to do.
I'm still trying to follow these points.

I liked this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPGjt1KkkBs
it helped me to go on the long road to Dia.


1 more idea:
Quite often you are 4/8 behind @15 min. Thats still winnable -- but not if someone ragequits
So it is in our interest to cheer our team up a bit ;)
I always start with a "hi" in champ select

Jgl Veigar Back to Top

Jungle + Veigar can work...?
Well, I thought "WTF, not at all", till I met my coach Véigâr.
His route:
- Ward jgl entrances (through the entire early/mid game)
- Blue (good pull, pls...)
- Wolfes
- 2W at raptors (to get most of the little ones)
- Red
- Krugs
- Recall
-->
- Gromp
- Wolves
- spare Raptors
- GANK (go back if they Flash)

But hell, man. I tried it in practice tool with a perfect pull on blue (auto-refresh hp...) and still died to 400hp-redbuff
He can do it with a refillable potion...
Holy; tell me how good u are at kiting monsters...

Animation cancelling Back to Top

There are some combos, try them out in the PRACTICE TOOOOOOL ;)

1: veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png is WAY faster then the other way round.
2: veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png is slightly faster then veigarr.pngveigarbalefulstrike.png, but deals WAY less dmg, so you will use it only on rare occasions (u are about going down)

3: 4.png doesnt intercept with anything; it works just like walking
--> You can veigarbalefulstrike.png4.png fast and your veigarbalefulstrike.png will instantly start where you landed with 4.png. WAY faster then 4.pngveigarbalefulstrike.png
--> You can veigardarkmatter.png at a place outside your castrange, flash in range and it will go off instantly. Same with veigarr.pngand veigareventhorizon.png. Make sure to abuse that if you need to veigarr.png4.png somebody.
---------> Sadly you cant do both (WR/Flash does not work)
--> You can even chain veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigardarkmatter.png4.png to get both effects.

---------> Check my video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQLvQWdDltc

--> It is possible to chain veigarbalefulstrike.pngveigarr.png4.png, but rather hard to accomplish and therefore unreliable.

----------> Check my video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-dpisbiRc


And it is possible to fail veigareventhorizon.png.
So go on PRACTICE TOOL and get not just good, but become the most evil guy ever ;)

Have to write this stuff, too Back to Top

DONT FIGHT ALONE !!!!!

USE your 4.png early!
(...) this technique wont work in muddy jgl fights; stay back in this case!

Never force a kill; if you landed your combo and they are at 10% ... you dont have any dmg the next 3 seconds; so they WILL KILL YOU, if you stay close.
If they have to b, they still loose valuable farm and pressure.

If you are behind, try just to defend your inhibitor towers. Veigar is quite strong in catching them in a anti-siege scenario; and they likely disrespect you, if it stands 5/15 or so.

oh, and dont surrender...

The Veigar-mentality trap Back to Top

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Well; Starting a new game as adc after a 13/3 wreck as Veigar is RLY hard.
I feeded 2/8 or so just cause I thought I was OP :/
If you dont have this problem, I really appreciate you!
Tell me your thoughts about that in comments, mb.

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Thank you for you reading!, I guess Back to Top

Well; this is my first guide and Im still improving; Hope it is at least decent.
I mained Veigar since the beginning of my LOL carrier in Summer 2013
Feel free to comment! I appreciate any help to improve me, this guide and my meh/ideosyncratic GER-English.


Oh, and dont wreck them too hard -- or Veigar will get picked/banned too much ://
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^^

Well; one last note: Sry guys, but I mainly wrote this to remind and improve ME. Im soooooo egoistic ^^

General Hints to improve in Ranked Back to Top

Well; as a Dia (Flex), I am ~frequently asked how to climb the ladder.
Cause I miss an appropriate platform, I write the hints here.
Most of this isnt my work; I watched some impressive youtube clips (honestly; just go there, too) and writing the stuff out of memory now:

What we dont want -- and sry for beeing a bit rude -- is to: stagger clueless around the map, throwing abilities on the enemy hoping he may go down. Thats deep bronze and fine for: I want to chill after work or: Im drunk and it's late in the evening; hell, lets play a round LOL.
If you want to improve you HAVE TO THINK. Everyone can do it, but it still takes a surprising amount of effort.
I want to chill after work will not result in improving.
So: What do you want? A real live? A Dia-account? A distraction after work? Both?
It's all perfectly fine, but if u play for distraction and then getting depressed cause u loose it's just dump.
For "Both" I reccomend to play eighter Solo or Flex for climbing, and the other one for distraction.

"I dont want to read novels and I want to improve NOW"
- buy pink wards
- Farm extraordinary well
- Mute the whole team at the beginning of the game


"That can't be all; Pls tell me more"

There are 3 categories you need to be at least ok with:


ATTITUDE
- Are you blaming your teammates? With thoughts or in chat? Cause thats just stupid and incoherent.
--> You think they are just ***** and deserve ***********. But why the heck do you give them advises to become better? You wish them *******, but try to improve their ranked? LEL, thats so damn cute, boys (and girls).... :DD
JUST FOCUS ON YOURSELF. WE WANT TO CLIMB; WE WANT TO IMPROVE.
LETS STOP BLAMING AND GET STATET:
- Are you just not-blaming, and silent? This is ok, but not the best. Type a "hi" or "good evening", defend chat-harrassed buddys and try to hold your team together -- your winrate will thrive just cause of that. If they dont listen and u notice u are becoming exhausted; just mute the entire team and go on.
- Dont surrender. Why surrender? They will most likely overextend with a lead (even in Dia+) and you can try to abuse that. Even if you will loose for sure (4vs5), you can still have fun and improve at playing LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPGjt1KkkBs


MECHANICS
- How fast are you able to cast your spells? (Animation cancel! Mid-animation Flash!)
--> try out my 2 cute clips:
---------> www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-dpisbiRc
---------> www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQLvQWdDltc
- How easily can you land your skillshots and track your cooldowns?
- How damn well can you FARM?   <-- if u can farm extraordinary well, you will get out of Bronze just cause of that.
- Are you able to freeze and zone the enemie mechanically?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-dpisbiRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQLvQWdDltc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU8ZS1mg434


KNOWLEDGE -- Close combat (mostly laning)
- How good do you know what your enemie can/can't do with his kit at which stage of the game?
- Which cooldowns of him must be down to be able to trade/all-in him? (Like Braum Shield or Riven Q etc.)
- Do you know how he will react and can you therefore force him to do what YOU want?
- Do you know when and why to freeze/zone?
- How good are you in tracking crucial cds in messy fights? And acting accordingly?


KNOWLEDGE -- Over the entire map
- Do you know when, WHY and how to rotate through your team and the map? Like jgl defending mid-recall; bot swapping mid after outer turret, defending top as mid after toplane tp to bot and stays there for a while?
- Do you look every 6-10s on the minimap without getting distracted and/or loosing farm? Pretty hard but rewarding
- Do you ping instantly, if your enemy leaves lane after pushing you to the tower?
- Do you track your and their jgl? D.u. think about their pathways to predict and therefore prevent/enable ganks?
- Do you ward (including pink ward) accordingly to help bot/top from your opponent's roams?
- How often do you press TAB and look at your opponents items? And do you act accordingly? (qss...)
- Do you know when, why and how to take Baron/Towers/Drakes?
- Do you know where, why and when to ward specific places? And do you actually think about it?
- Do you know which trades are worth (Inhibi for 3 kills, inner for outer turret, etc) and act accordingly?
- If your team dies and the enemy is taking Baron/Dragon: Can you get sth back? At least a turret? Or a Drake?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lol+improve+knowledge


ONE EXTRA
- I watch the replays after my games and record every damn single death.
--> after a day or two, I rewatch them and rename (like death_Veigar_HARD OVERSTAY or ..._poor execution)
Now u got a list. Why are you dying?


ANOTHER ONE :D
- U missed a skillshot? Like a Veigar-E on a stunned enemy or a Nautilus hook on terrain?
--> Go to practice tool and reck the hell out of the mistake ^^



If you are ok with these points, you are at least good Gold -- or hard-overestimating urself.
Go and watch some pro or, better, some Dia-guy-games. Just add the guys who main your main and spectate their games.
http://www.lolking.net/replays
http://www.lolking.net/champions/veigar?#/leaderboards


If you now know, where you lackluster, I achieved my goal ;)
You can now go on youtube and search for specific vidios, or check out my Q/A below.



"I am stuck despite recking everyone, what can I do?"

- Check your ATTITUDE, theres always room to improve.


"My team sucks --> I loose obviously even if I play 'perfect'"
- Do you rly think a Diamond would play like you?
--> There's always room to improve.

"The enemy is playing a no-brain-champ (Yi, Garen, Veigar...?)--> blame him for loosing"
- You didnt got all points above:
--> the MECHANICS may be simple (Garen...) but what about ATTITUDE and KNOWLEDGE? They are roughly the same for every single champion.

"I am high bronze and can't climp the hell out"
- Fast way to at least silver:
--> improve your ATTITUDE
--> improve your farm and warding
- Slow and steady way to improve hard:
--> Check out the stuff above :P

"I am low gold -- how can I become Platin?"
--> Check out the stuff above, go youtube and practice tool.
--> Think about the two extra points: recording your death and watching pro/Dia-plays


"I played [insert sth. out-of-meta], then stuck and now I'm playing random 'op' stuff"
--> Well; your style wont work. But there are best news:
EVERYONE CAN CLIMB WITH EVERY CHAMP IN ~EVERY ROLE TO DIAMOND.
SO YOU CAN CLIMB WITH YOUR MAIN IN YOUR MAIN ROLE TO DIAMOND, TOO!
Hell, if s.o. can become Dia with adc-Ahri, why cant u with toplane Urgot? Or with sth as common as adc Lucian?!?



"I dont have time -- smurf me"
--> Hell, no. (...)
--> Even if I would: You cant do anything after xept boasting about 'your' gold rank and loosing rankeds...



Good luck and don't forget to have fun on the Rift!
I play LOL cause it tells me damn much about myself. Why are you playing?
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